Survivors (new and old)

Page 3 of 4 Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Rich Flair on Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:17 am

Nick Barlow wrote:Thinking about it after the fact, and seeing Gray's comments, I think the one error they made was showing a bit too much of the pre-virus life of the characters. (IIRC, we only saw Abby and Jenny in the original version) One of the strengths of the original version was that it left a lot of the details of the collapse up to your imagination while Abby was passed out. I think the only real gain from the extra stories was that image of Najid in the mosque, surrounded by the praying dead. If it had been up to me, I'd have kept his story in, but only introduced Al when he almost runs him over, Tom when the guard comes to let him out and spent more time with Jenny and Anya to increase the shock when she dies.

Well. quite - all this did was to bore me crapless! I didn't even notice Freema die, I was starting to drift. Then PJ turned up and it became interesting.

The explosion, though - that was crap-a-dap-a-ding-dong!

Rich Flair
Master Deviant

Number of posts : 1656
Age : 45
Awards :


Registration date : 2008-11-07

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Lucy McGough on Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:28 am

Rich Flair wrote:
The explosion, though - that was crap-a-dap-a-ding-dong!

I have to admit, it was. Good plot incident, rubbish special effect.

No

But I liked the back stories. It showed us the normal world that the characters had been ripped away from. Tom was shown to be a complete and utter thug, and I liked the whole 'are they just going to leave him in his cell to die?' suspense.

Abby's maternal instincts were given a thorough grounding, which gave her a solid reason to go looking for her son. And I loved the scene where she woke up. That's got to be your worst nightmare, hasn't it? "I went to sleep, and when I woke up everyone in the world was dead."

Shocked

Selfish Al up in his flat made me snigger. What a numpty. What a complete and utter selfish toerag. I'd like to see if his character grows a spine. And I liked Jen and whats-her-face dying, to show how the solid female friendships Anya had formed her life around just... went.

pale

In fact, the only back story I could have done without would have been that little kid's. I refuse to believe that a whole mosque full of men can die simultaneously in identical positions. They should have just found the kid wandering in a street somewhere. No back story required.

Lucy McGough
Antediluvian

Number of posts : 3519
Age : 29
Location : Northwich, Starship UK
Awards :

Registration date : 2008-11-09

View user profile http://skeinofstars.blogspot.com/

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Frank on Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:36 am

Sid Seadevil wrote:
Frank wrote:I think you should be paid squillions of pounds by the BBC to go on telly and say things like that. Very Happy

No, better still, I should be paid lots of pounds to do that.
Well I think they should pay both of us to go on and say things like that. We could form a double act. But not like Ant 'N' Dec. Craig and Len perhaps?

Now that sounds fab-u-lous. Every time Julie Graham does a decent bit of acting you could hold up your score board and shout 'Sevaaaaaannnnnn!'. I will take great pride in saying, 'it's a disahhhstttahhhh, darling'.

Frank
Justified and ancient

Number of posts : 922
Age : 54
Location : Over the rainbow
Awards :

Registration date : 2008-11-03

View user profile http://www.cathoderaytube.blogspot.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Rich Flair on Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:46 am

Lucy McGough wrote: That's got to be your worst nightmare, hasn't it? "I went to sleep, and when I woke up everyone in the world was dead.".

I could think of a lot worse things...

Laughing

Rich Flair
Master Deviant

Number of posts : 1656
Age : 45
Awards :


Registration date : 2008-11-07

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Frank on Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:46 am

Lucy McGough wrote:
I have to admit, it was. Good plot incident, rubbish special effect.
A disaaaahhssterr

Lucy McGough wrote:But I liked the back stories. It showed us the normal world that the characters had been ripped away from. Tom was shown to be a complete and utter thug, and I liked the whole 'are they just going to leave him in his cell to die?' suspense.
Sevaaaaaahhhhhhnnnn!

Lucy McGough wrote:Abby's maternal instincts were given a thorough grounding, which gave her a solid reason to go looking for her son. And I loved the scene where she woke up. That's got to be your worst nightmare, hasn't it? "I went to sleep, and when I woke up everyone in the world was dead."
Ten!!!!

Lucy McGough wrote:Selfish Al up in his flat made me snigger. What a numpty. What a complete and utter selfish toerag. I'd like to see if his character grows a spine. And I liked Jen and whats-her-face dying, to show how the solid female friendships Anya had formed her life around just... went.
A disaaaahhsstaaahh

Lucy McGough wrote:In fact, the only back story I could have done without would have been that little kid's. I refuse to believe that a whole mosque full of men can die simultaneously in identical positions. They should have just found the kid wandering in a street somewhere. No back story required.
A disaaaahhsstaaahh

Frank
Justified and ancient

Number of posts : 922
Age : 54
Location : Over the rainbow
Awards :

Registration date : 2008-11-03

View user profile http://www.cathoderaytube.blogspot.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Lee Carey on Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:15 am

Gah!!! That'll teach me to cancel Sky but keep the freesat option- I programmed it for both Einstein and Eddington and Survivors, and fail to get either!!!!


grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Still, Survivors is repeated Friday early morning, and I can watch Einstein on iPlayer, but it doesn't stop either from being spoilt before I watched them (very disappointed to hear that Freema doesn't survive the episode).

Ah well.

Lee Carey
Justified and ancient

Number of posts : 508
Age : 48
Location : George Bernard Shaw's Revolving Shed
Awards :

Registration date : 2008-11-03

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Graymalkin on Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:15 am

Rich Flair wrote:I could think of a lot worse things...

Indeed... 'Well, I say 'worst nightmare', I mean 'most dearly-held fantasy'...'

Graymalkin
Justified and ancient

Number of posts : 981
Age : 43
Location : (Lucifer over) Lancaster
Awards : poster award
Registration date : 2008-11-06

View user profile http://twitter.com/uragraymalkin

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by stanmore on Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:37 pm

Nick Barlow wrote:Thinking about it after the fact, and seeing Gray's comments, I think the one error they made was showing a bit too much of the pre-virus life of the characters. (IIRC, we only saw Abby and Jenny in the original version) One of the strengths of the original version was that it left a lot of the details of the collapse up to your imagination while Abby was passed out. I think the only real gain from the extra stories was that image of Najid in the mosque, surrounded by the praying dead. If it had been up to me, I'd have kept his story in, but only introduced Al when he almost runs him over, Tom when the guard comes to let him out and spent more time with Jenny and Anya to increase the shock when she dies.

There's a point going through my head (that I'll almost certainly fail to make) between this and Frank's desire to show more apocolypse. I think there was a mistake in showing everything. It either has to be the most harrowing television ever - a constant shower of death of lost loved ones and destruction in the streets - so that we can genuinely believe in the apocolypse, or give it a break - perhaps weeks - so we can rejoin the characters when faith might be beginning to return and Abby's "all stand together" speech might be believable. Survivors is already harrowing - the concept itself ensures that - you don't need to show everything.

stanmore
Justified and ancient

Number of posts : 1669
Age : 32
Location : wishing you peace
Awards :

Registration date : 2008-11-07

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by The Co=Ordinator on Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:10 pm

On a TV Budget, IMO less is more.

_________________

The Co=Ordinator
Tony the CyberAdmin

Number of posts : 11054
Age : 57
Location : On a box, in TC7, long long ago..........
Awards :


Registration date : 2008-11-03

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by The Browncoat Cat on Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:27 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:In fact, the only back story I could have done without would have been that little kid's. I refuse to believe that a whole mosque full of men can die simultaneously in identical positions. They should have just found the kid wandering in a street somewhere. No back story required.
It is my understanding of Islam that you have to be perfectly clean and healthy before you are allowed into a mosque to pray. So, what were all those sick people doing in the mosque in the first place?

The Browncoat Cat
Justified and ancient

Number of posts : 1148
Age : 49
Location : Treherbert, Rhondda
Awards :
Registration date : 2008-11-04

View user profile http://browncoatcat.gardd-lelog.org.uk

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Sid Seadevil on Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:16 am

I don't give a toss personally about the minor details - I enjoyed it and await developments with interest.

Sid Seadevil
Older than Sid

Number of posts : 8275
Age : 57
Location : Back from charting the Undiscovered Country - it wasn't all that
Awards :

Registration date : 2008-11-04

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:53 am

Sid Seadevil wrote:I don't give a toss personally about the minor details

OI!!!!!!!!!!

Evil or Very Mad

Lucy McGough
Antediluvian

Number of posts : 3519
Age : 29
Location : Northwich, Starship UK
Awards :

Registration date : 2008-11-09

View user profile http://skeinofstars.blogspot.com/

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Johnstone McGuckian on Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:19 am

I'm just watching The Daleks now and I'm wondering if Terry Nation got the idea for Survivors from this. It features a post apocolyptic world (Thals) are trying to survive. The second episode is even called "The Survivors".

Johnstone McGuckian
Youngster Mod

Number of posts : 1721
Age : 25
Location : Macc
Awards :
Registration date : 2008-11-03

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by The Co=Ordinator on Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:26 am

Are you accusing Terry Nation of reusing an idea time and again? Perish the thought Youngster. affraid Smile

_________________

The Co=Ordinator
Tony the CyberAdmin

Number of posts : 11054
Age : 57
Location : On a box, in TC7, long long ago..........
Awards :


Registration date : 2008-11-03

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Johnstone McGuckian on Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:31 am

Oh, how silly of me bounce

Johnstone McGuckian
Youngster Mod

Number of posts : 1721
Age : 25
Location : Macc
Awards :
Registration date : 2008-11-03

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Nick Barlow on Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:23 am

I don't think there was a character called Tarrant in the original Survivors, so there was some originality there.

_________________
"You\'re wrong, and you\'re a grotesquely ugly freak."
blog | livejournal | flickr | facebook | twitter

Nick Barlow
Councillor Mod

Number of posts : 1213
Age : 44
Location : The oldest town in Britain
Awards :

Registration date : 2008-11-04

View user profile http://www.nickbarlow.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by The_Void on Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:04 am

Decent enough. They're lucky that they got a good director and some great actors to make the teeth-grindingly awful dialogue seem convincing. Shame Freema died early on, I was hoping she'd be a main character. I'll be watching tonight, and hoping that it doesn't end up being like every single other post-apocalyptic drama ever.

The_Void
Properly wrinkly

Number of posts : 174
Age : 24
Location : South Northamptonshire, East Midlands
Registration date : 2008-11-09

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:53 am

That's the thing about apocalypses - there's only so much you can do with them.

Lucy McGough
Antediluvian

Number of posts : 3519
Age : 29
Location : Northwich, Starship UK
Awards :

Registration date : 2008-11-09

View user profile http://skeinofstars.blogspot.com/

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Johnstone McGuckian on Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:45 am

Lucy McGough wrote:That's the thing about apocalypses - there's only so much you can do with them.
That's a shame.

Johnstone McGuckian
Youngster Mod

Number of posts : 1721
Age : 25
Location : Macc
Awards :
Registration date : 2008-11-03

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by millerqueen on Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:04 am

ah, well, at least it's not the end of the world.

millerqueen
Properly wrinkly

Number of posts : 217
Age : 43
Awards :
Registration date : 2008-11-13

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Johnstone McGuckian on Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:05 am

Could be worse. City could win the league.

Johnstone McGuckian
Youngster Mod

Number of posts : 1721
Age : 25
Location : Macc
Awards :
Registration date : 2008-11-03

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Graymalkin on Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:34 am

Johnstone McGuckian wrote:Could be worse. City could win the league.

Chester City? Can't see it, myself. They've got about as much chance as Morecambe...

Anyway, moving back on-topic...

Graymalkin
Justified and ancient

Number of posts : 981
Age : 43
Location : (Lucifer over) Lancaster
Awards : poster award
Registration date : 2008-11-06

View user profile http://twitter.com/uragraymalkin

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Lee Carey on Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:11 pm

Well, having watched the second episode of Survivors without actually having seen the first, I have to admit that the things that keeps me watching are Paterson Joseph and Max Beesley. The problem is, I don't think the format of the show is really good for in depth characterisation, as one of the themes seems to be redemption and reinvention, and these two actors are the best at conveying a sense that they are doing just that, while retaining a sense of the people they used to be.

Beyond that, it already shows the first problem of the Survivors (or any post apocalypse story) format: it's lack of different potential plots. They must mostly revolve around the tensions from having a bunch of people who would not usually come together; or involve the main protagonists coming up against another group with differing priorities. Although cudos to the writers for showing the antagonists as having a slightly better morality than the protagonists at the end of this weeks episode- it would be interesting to se if the gang make a comeback in future episode, and include Bob.

Not a bad show- I still intend to watch the first episode on iPlayer at some point, but it lacks the self assurance and brashness of the BBC's recent telefantasy output, such as Life On Mars, Ashes to Ashes, Spooks, Dr Who or even Torchwod. It is, however, far superior to Bonekickers or Apparitions.

And yes, watching this is the first time I can actually visualise Paterson Joseph as the Doctor.

Lee Carey
Justified and ancient

Number of posts : 508
Age : 48
Location : George Bernard Shaw's Revolving Shed
Awards :

Registration date : 2008-11-03

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by barnaby morbius on Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:42 pm

Lee Carey wrote:Well, having watched the second episode of Survivors without actually having seen the first, I have to admit that the things that keeps me watching are Paterson Joseph and Max Beesley. The problem is, I don't think the format of the show is really good for in depth characterisation, as one of the themes seems to be redemption and reinvention, and these two actors are the best at conveying a sense that they are doing just that, while retaining a sense of the people they used to be.

Beyond that, it already shows the first problem of the Survivors (or any post apocalypse story) format: it's lack of different potential plots. They must mostly revolve around the tensions from having a bunch of people who would not usually come together; or involve the main protagonists coming up against another group with differing priorities. Although cudos to the writers for showing the antagonists as having a slightly better morality than the protagonists at the end of this weeks episode- it would be interesting to se if the gang make a comeback in future episode, and include Bob.

Not a bad show- I still intend to watch the first episode on iPlayer at some point, but it lacks the self assurance and brashness of the BBC's recent telefantasy output, such as Life On Mars, Ashes to Ashes, Spooks, Dr Who or even Torchwod. It is, however, far superior to Bonekickers or Apparitions.

And yes, watching this is the first time I can actually visualise Paterson Joseph as the Doctor.

pretty much sums up my feelings lee- not bad but rather unsatisfying. and i could visualise max beasley as a possible doctor...

barnaby morbius
What about moi computer?

Number of posts : 1609
Age : 43
Location : Location Location
Awards :

Registration date : 2008-11-03

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Frank on Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:14 am

I'm with Barnaby and Lee on this. Enjoyable but not entirely satisfying. I thought Paterson Joseph was excellent in this second installment, as was Max Beesley. But it is going to get very limited by the format as it stands. Hence all this bobbins with the science boffins in their bunker which I'm sure will develop over the next few episodes as a counterpoint to all the in-fighting and battles with other survival groups. Otherwise, it is going to get boring very quickly.

I still the think the original is head and shoulders above this and it managed to dramatise an apocalypse on a small budget by following the less is more dictum. You either go all out and show everything in gory detail or you simply suggest everything. The new version isn't doing either and seems to be trying to please both sides at once. And not doing either all that well. One of the biggest criticisms in my office this week is the one I pointed out - where are all the dead bodies and crashed cars in the street? There is a demand for realism and the new version shies away from it. But that's Adrian Hodges for you. As he plainly admitted in the Radio Times last week the production team will throw anything out they consider too grim.

Frank
Justified and ancient

Number of posts : 922
Age : 54
Location : Over the rainbow
Awards :

Registration date : 2008-11-03

View user profile http://www.cathoderaytube.blogspot.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Survivors (new and old)

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 3 of 4 Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

View previous topic View next topic Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum