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Ian Levine's Animated Version of SHADA

Post by sparacus on Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:59 am

This is fast becoming a taboo subject on GB. Ian Levine has made a completed version of SHADA with the missing scenes animated (to what looks like a high standard from screenshots) and inserted in. However 2 Entertain are refusing to release it. In a recent poll around 75% of voters voted for it to be released however 2 Entertain won't back down. Discuss.
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Re: Ian Levine's Animated Version of SHADA

Post by Dave Webb on Wed Aug 01, 2012 12:27 pm

I'm not surprised that 2|E aren't interested. They didn't commission it, the Beeb didn't have a hand in it, the guy that did it probably has no actual IP rights to do it in the first place...it's a minefield of things that are likely to cause problems for them.

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Re: Ian Levine's Animated Version of SHADA

Post by Rich Flair on Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:44 am

Yes, as Dan Hall said last year, he didn't commision it, there's legal issues surrounding Levine's effort, and they've got their own plans for Shada. It's another Levine ego trip that shouldn't be indulged!
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Post by sparacus on Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:46 pm

And yet they were more than happy to use Ian's version of part 4 of 'Planet of the Giants'. Many of us want to see the completed SHADA.
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Post by Dave Webb on Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:09 pm

sparacus wrote:And yet they were more than happy to use Ian's version of part 4 of 'Planet of the Giants'. Many of us want to see the completed SHADA.

Do we know whether Mr. Levine bought the rights to Shada from the BBC? Or Douglas Adams? Or any of the other potential rights holders?

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Post by The Browncoat Cat on Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:42 pm

As I understand it, the story elements belong to the Estate of Douglas Adams, whilst all Doctor Who elements belong to the BBC. Which is why the Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency recycled the Cambridge location and Prof. Chronotis.
The BBC has finally managed to get a novelisation of the original Adams script out, and is possibly closer now to getting something finished for TV than ever before. I don't know where the Great Producer comes into this, but I suspect that it is probably doing far more harm than good and his ego trip is getting in the way of what, as Sparacus said, so many fans want to see, a completed version of Shada starring Tom Baker et al.
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Post by Dave Webb on Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:15 pm

The Browncoat Cat wrote:[justify]As I understand it, the story elements belong to the Estate of Douglas Adams, whilst all Doctor Who elements belong to the BBC.

So,not Ian Levine. Which means that no matter how good his reconstruction is, it wasn't his to mess with and it's certainly not his to make any actual money off. Which means that no matter what Ian thinks fans want, and I would question whether any fans really actually care about Shada, if Ian wants people to see his recon then he could host it himself and allow people to stream it across t'internet. And as a not for profit fan project, that would be really cool.

Him wanting 2|E to distribute it means he wants a payday that he is not entitled to.

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Post by The Browncoat Cat on Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:04 am

Dave Webb wrote:Him wanting 2|E to distribute it means he wants a payday that he is not entitled to.
If Levine has done a deal with the Adams Estate, acting as their agents to get it made and then distributed, then it would be kosher. He would then get a cut from whatever the royalties the estate gets. Anything else would be dodgy and to be avoided.
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Re: Ian Levine's Animated Version of SHADA

Post by Rich Flair on Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:53 am

sparacus wrote: Many of us want to see the completed SHADA.

So do I. But it was never completed and never will be.
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Re: Ian Levine's Animated Version of SHADA

Post by Dave Webb on Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:24 am

The Browncoat Cat wrote:
Dave Webb wrote:Him wanting 2|E to distribute it means he wants a payday that he is not entitled to.
If Levine has done a deal with the Adams Estate, acting as their agents to get it made and then distributed, then it would be kosher. He would then get a cut from whatever the royalties the estate gets. Anything else would be dodgy and to be avoided.

The Adams Estate doesn't own Shada. Douglas already established ownership of his IP with the Dirk Gently story that used his recycled ideas, but the Beeb still owns Who. That's the owner of the script and rights pertaining thereto.

I doubt the Adams estate gets a look in.


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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:15 am

Rich Flair wrote:Yes, as Dan Hall said last year, he didn't commision it, there's legal issues surrounding Levine's effort, and they've got their own plans for Shada. It's another Levine ego trip that shouldn't be indulged!

This.

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Re: Ian Levine's Animated Version of SHADA

Post by Johnstone McGuckian on Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:45 am

Shada to be released incomplete. What are the chances of a certain person being grumpy that his fan film didn't make it?
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Re: Ian Levine's Animated Version of SHADA

Post by Rich Flair on Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:28 am

1000%.

Which is good.
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Re: Ian Levine's Animated Version of SHADA

Post by Johnstone McGuckian on Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:53 am

Jesus, this is still going on GB, despite the set actually being released! Ian is doing a perfect job of showing exactly why it hasn't seen a release. Threatening to sue anyone who was involved being just one factor!
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Re: Ian Levine's Animated Version of SHADA

Post by sparacus on Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:50 am

Just because Ian has an abrasive personality doesn't strike me as a reason not to release it. They could have easily bunged it on an extra disc as well as the VHS version. Personally I didn't think much of Ian's recons on the 'Planet of the Giants' DVD however this sounds much better and most fans want to see it. I don't agree with him threatening legal action against all & sundry however that is a tangental matter. The decision should be based on SHADA as opposed to personality.
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Re: Ian Levine's Animated Version of SHADA

Post by Johnstone McGuckian on Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:03 am

Thin is, he's clearly fallen out with at least one person involved and they've had a big public argument on GB. If there are legal issues or whatever with it then that's why it hasn't been released. I have a funny feeling that there's a great deal Ian hasn't told us about why it wasn't released.
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Re: Ian Levine's Animated Version of SHADA

Post by sparacus on Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:14 am

Johnstone McGuckian wrote:Thin is, he's clearly fallen out with at least one person involved and they've had a big public argument on GB. If there are legal issues or whatever with it then that's why it hasn't been released. I have a funny feeling that there's a great deal Ian hasn't told us about why it wasn't released.

The row I saw was about a recon of the prelude episode to the Dalek's Masterplan. Someone involved in a scene within his 'SHADA' had given away a copy of this other recon to someone else or something along those lines, so Ian had cut their scene from his SHADA is how it seemed to read.
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Re: Ian Levine's Animated Version of SHADA

Post by Dave Webb on Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:26 pm

Johnstone McGuckian wrote:Thin is, he's clearly fallen out with at least one person involved and they've had a big public argument on GB. If there are legal issues or whatever with it then that's why it hasn't been released. I have a funny feeling that there's a great deal Ian hasn't told us about why it wasn't released.

There are definitely legal issues. For one, Levine never owned the intellectual property in the first place. In legal terms, he had no right to create a recon in the first place. The BBC tends to turn a blind eye to fan projects, mostly because pursuing them would be ruinously expensive, but also because the presence of things like fan fic tend to keep a property's profile in fandom's sights. In the past, though, companies(like Warner Bros) have descended on fan sites and fan projects and delivered cease and desists.

Anyway...he didn't own it. So he had no actual right to do anything with it. The whole process of doing something with an IP that belongs to someone else starts with a COMMISSION. And there wasn't one.

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