Rate "Nightmare in Silver"

by **The Co=Ordinator** Thu May 09, 2013 2:51 am

The Cybermen are back. It's written by Neil Gaiman. What could possibly go wrong?

by **Patrick** Thu May 09, 2013 8:01 am

I'd like to point out that the last time we had the Doctor saying "brave heart" to someone, and there were two kids on the TARDIS, they ran into the Cybermen and a death of one of the TARDIS crew happened. Just sayin'.

by Rich Flair Sat May 11, 2013 12:17 pm

meh .

by The Browncoat Cat Sat May 11, 2013 1:27 pm

Nice to see the Cybermen scary again. I love the redesign, it is exactly who I would have done it. I thought the detachable hand was great, but the detachable head was over the top.
Preferred it when it was dark and there were a handful of Cybermen. The vast hoardes of them in broad daylight was too much of a good thing.
Anyone else think Junkard Demon at the start of this story.
I assume that Clara was in an army cadet squdaron as a child, she certainly had more of a clue about leading a group of squadies than Tasmin Outthwatie's character.
I was expecting Warwick Davies' character to be someone high ranking, but not the Emperor. Still, it came in handy at the end. It looks as if Emperor Porridge scrambled it as soon as the first active
Cyberman turned up and was just playing for time throughout, because I doubt it was fast enough to get to that system in a few seconds.
The Empire looks like a pretty unpleasant neo-nazi type of set up. I wonder if his Imperial Majesty's Roman Holiday will benefit the subjects.
The Doctor versus the CyberDoc was a very good plot device.
Come on Mr Gaiman, blowing up a galaxy and having a multi-galaxy empire is the sort of mistake that should have died out in the 1980's
Another one that should have been a two parter.

4/5 from me.

by **Dave Webb** Sat May 11, 2013 2:09 pm

The Browncoat Cat wrote:
[*]I was expecting Warwick Davies' character to be someone high ranking, but not the Emperor. Still, it came in handy at the end. It looks as if Emperor Porridge scrambled it as soon as the first active Cyberman turned up and was just playing for time throughout, because I doubt it was fast enough to get to that system in a few seconds.

Monarchy is known to travel instantaneously.

The Browncoat Cat wrote:[*]The Empire looks like a pretty unpleasant neo-nazi type of set up. I wonder if his Imperial Majesty's Roman Holiday will benefit the subjects.

How do you arrive at the idea that it's neo-nazi? This is sounding a lot like Heresy.

The Browncoat Cat wrote:[
[*]Come on Mr Gaiman, blowing up a galaxy and having a multi-galaxy empire is the sort of mistake that should have died out in the 1980's

Why? Why is this a mistake?

by **Nick Barlow** Sat May 11, 2013 2:13 pm

Rich Flair wrote:meh .

This.

by The Browncoat Cat Sat May 11, 2013 2:26 pm

Dave Webb wrote:
The Browncoat Cat wrote:

Come on Mr Gaiman, blowing up a galaxy and having a multi-galaxy empire is the sort of mistake that should have died out in the 1980's.

Why? Why is this a mistake?

Because galaxies are huge. Monumentally huge, and the distances between them are huger still. Back in the Early twentieth century it was believed that galaxies were simply funny clouds of as and there was only the Milky Way. Then Hubble discovered that not only weren't galactic nebulae, as they were called, in our galaxy, they ere in fact billions of miles away. Science Fiction writers up to and including Terry Nation got the idea that Galaxies were separate entities, but did not understand how far away they really were.

by Ginger Ninja Sat May 11, 2013 2:45 pm

The whole episode didn't gell for me.
Love the stuff in the Doctors mind but then there were these negatives:

The New Cybermen are Awful in design and voice
The whole upgrading on the go is a rip from the Borg as is the Hive mind style
A super fast Cyberman; Seriously!

There are more things but I'm not going to watch it again to drag up the memories.

2/5

by **Dave Webb** Sat May 11, 2013 3:36 pm

The Browncoat Cat wrote:
Dave Webb wrote:
The Browncoat Cat wrote:

Come on Mr Gaiman, blowing up a galaxy and having a multi-galaxy empire is the sort of mistake that should have died out in the 1980's.

Why? Why is this a mistake?

Because galaxies are huge. Monumentally huge, and the distances between them are huger still. Back in the Early twentieth century it was believed that galaxies were simply funny clouds of as and there was only the Milky Way. Then Hubble discovered that not only weren't galactic nebulae, as they were called, in our galaxy, they ere in fact billions of miles away. Science Fiction writers up to and including Terry Nation got the idea that Galaxies were separate entities, but did not understand how far away they really were.

Yes,I know what a galaxy is.

Now...imagine how powerful a culture would have to be in order to have an empire that spanned one galaxy.
Got that?
Good.

How much exponentially more powerful would that culture need to be in order to to span more than one?
Got that too?
Good.

This is a civilisation that is pooing itself at the thought of cybermen.

How scary are cybermen?

by **The Co=Ordinator** Sat May 11, 2013 3:41 pm

I agree with Rich, The Worship Cllr & The Ninja. Quite a mess really. Still, at least Castell Coch still looks nice.

by The Browncoat Cat Sat May 11, 2013 5:31 pm

Dave Webb wrote:This is a civilisation that is pooing itself at the thought of cybermen.

How scary are cybermen?

I see your point.

by **Patrick** Sat May 11, 2013 6:12 pm

Maybe it's my bias - I've always loved the Cybermen - but I thought this story was brilliantly creepy. 4/5, maybe even on repeat viewings a 5.

by The Neon Seal Sun May 12, 2013 8:23 am

A solid 4 here. Almost a 5, but not quite. Nice to see the professional sci-fi/fantasy author giving the new companion the attention she needs that the rest have neglected. Also, the story actually fitted rather than feeling rushed.

In reply to prior comments, I don't think Clara was a cadet. She's just really clever and the platoon on the planet are ment to be the rubish of the rubish of the rubish.

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