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Rate The Waters Of Mars

Post by Patrick on Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:23 pm

So, what did everyone think of The Waters of Mars? Rate it and comment!

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Re: Rate The Waters Of Mars

Post by stanmore on Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:37 pm

4/5

Not as scary as I expected, but sadder. I wonder if The Doctor is going to be a psycho throughout his last two episodes?
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Post by Johnstone McGuckian on Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:44 pm

A brilliant and easy 5/5. And I didn't think I was going to enjoy this one Very Happy
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Post by barnaby morbius on Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:07 pm

jolly good- pretty bleak though!
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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:16 pm

The Doctor becomes as big a megalomaniac as The Master. Who'd have thunk it? Very Happy

One of the finest Doctor Who stories of all-time, just superb all-round. Writing, acting, music, lighting, sound, direction. And now we know precisely why the BBC needed an 8 or 9 year old German speaker. Smile

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Post by Patrick on Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:50 pm

This was perhaps the most character driven story we've seen in the RTD era, and after Midnight, that's saying something. The Doctor decides to re-define what a fixed point in time is, and start acting like an anti-hero. And the result is a potential future companion who commits suicide.

Very dark subject matter, really. In fact, 2009 may well be considered the year of the anti-heroes in the Whoniverse: first Captain Jack, and now the Doctor. There's a message in that. And I'm content to leave it to Ol' Coxy to work it out and contribute his findings to a future edition of Celestial Toyroom. Wink

The Doctor is in the anger phase of the five states of grief. Grief over his own impending death. The first stage is denial. Anger comes next. Then comes bargaining, depression and acceptance. Watching for these in the next two specials should be interesting.

Not since Logopolis have we had a Doctor go into the final stages of his regeneration knowing what is to come. And the differences between how Tom and David handle this knowledge are quite stark. And look who's returning to facilitate the transition... Peoples of the universe, please attend carefully: RTD knows his Whovian lore quite well.

An excellent set up piece. I give it top marks.

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Re: Rate The Waters Of Mars

Post by Zoltar on Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:36 pm

The Doctor's long been an anti-hero. This was like trying to become a god. There are, and should be, some limits to how far even he can defy the universe...even for the best of reasons.

Fantastic stuff, and many excellent performances within. I look forward to watching it again.

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Re: Rate The Waters Of Mars

Post by Aspadistra on Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:04 am

Patrick wrote:


And look who's returning to facilitate the transition... Peoples of the universe, please attend carefully: RTD knows his Whovian lore quite well.

Care to elucidate for a thicko?
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Re: Rate The Waters Of Mars

Post by Patrick on Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:40 am

Aspadistra wrote:
Patrick wrote:


And look who's returning to facilitate the transition... Peoples of the universe, please attend carefully: RTD knows his Whovian lore quite well.

Care to elucidate for a thicko?

John Simm is returning as the Master. Yet another Logopolis parallel.

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Re: Rate The Waters Of Mars

Post by Aspadistra on Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:17 pm

*slaps head*
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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:11 pm

Paracetemol anyone? Laughing

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Re: Rate The Waters Of Mars

Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:38 am

Aspadistra wrote:*slaps head*
Shocked Shocked Shocked

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(Really disheartened by the negative reaction to WoM on another forum. God, Doctor Who fans are awful. (Present company excepted.))
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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:16 am

Lucy McGough wrote:(Really disheartened by the negative reaction to WoM on another forum. God, Doctor Who fans are awful. (Present company excepted.))

Presumably you mean GB Lucy. Must be honest, I haven't bothered to look at the comments, sticking instead purely to the Ratings Thread.

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Re: Rate The Waters Of Mars

Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:07 am

Actually, I don't Very Happy
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Post by Zoltar on Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:13 am

The Co=Ordinator wrote:Presumably you mean GB Lucy. Must be honest, I haven't bothered to look at the comments, sticking instead purely to the Ratings Thread.
I read through some of them and then eventually gave up, life's too short. Razz

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Re: Rate The Waters Of Mars

Post by Dave Webb on Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:47 am

The review for CT is done, so I can finally opinionate and read the opinions of others! Yay!

I enjoyed it. A lot. One of the Not We I watched it with decided that The Doctor "going mad" was lame. It turned out that during the show, the Not We had been ignoring everything but the pretty colours.

And, I dunno about Logopolis. I can see more shades of Pertwee's finale. That was aboiut hubris, I think the next specials will be too.

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Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:55 am

Zoltar wrote:life's too short
God, yes!

David, was the Not-We you watched it with the lady you took to the Drinklies?
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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:59 am

Dave Webb wrote:The review for CT is done.

Very good it is too. Wink

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Re: Rate The Waters Of Mars

Post by Lucy McGough on Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:07 am

I gave it 5/5. (The episode, not the review.)

Set design, make-up, script, performance, themes - everything was perfect.

Anyone else think Gadget was capitalising on the public's affection for Wall-E?

Spoiler:
Adelaide's suicide
was such a brave choice for a kids' television show, but I'm glad they included it.

For a minute I thought that
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she was going to shoot the Doctor, a la Lucy Saxon, rather than herself.
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Post by barnaby morbius on Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:45 am

The Co=Ordinator wrote:
Lucy McGough wrote:(Really disheartened by the negative reaction to WoM on another forum. God, Doctor Who fans are awful. (Present company excepted.))

Presumably you mean GB Lucy. Must be honest, I haven't bothered to look at the comments, sticking instead purely to the Ratings Thread.

usual- poll gives it a 90% approval rating- while 90% of posts are about how terrible it was.
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Post by Aspadistra on Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:31 am

The Co=Ordinator wrote:Paracetemol anyone? Laughing

*gulps it down*
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Post by Aspadistra on Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:34 am

Lucy McGough wrote:
Aspadistra wrote:*slaps head*
Shocked Shocked Shocked

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Re: Rate The Waters Of Mars

Post by Patrick on Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:01 am

Dave Webb wrote:And, I dunno about Logopolis. I can see more shades of Pertwee's finale. That was aboiut hubris, I think the next specials will be too.

You may very well have a point there. I'll be interested to see. I was simply counting what, on the surface, appear to be similarities to Logopolis:
- The Doctor appears to be confronting the circumsantances of his regeneration knowing it's coming.
- He appears to have someone advising him about the regeneration (The Watcher in Logopolis, Ood Sigma in the forthcoming story)
- The Master returns, and appears to have a hand in the circumstances of the regeneration
- In Logopolis, the Doctor was "vain enough to think it was me was after." In the set-up to the forthcoming regeneration story, the Doctor gave into hubris. Both are character flaws.

The good news is we have about six weeks to carry on this discussion.
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Post by Exterminieren on Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:34 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:(Really disheartened by the negative reaction to WoM on another forum. God, Doctor Who fans are awful. (Present company excepted.))

Not the Leisure Hive? The anti-Outpost Wrinkley if ever there was one.

Tremendously enjoyed the Waters of Mars. Hugely loved the ending- looking forward to seeing where the Doctor goes from here. Surely Tennant and Duncan's performances were two of the finest ever seen on Doctor Who?

The absolute worst part of this is the fact that we have to wait five-and-a-half weeks for The End of Time- loved the trailer, but this is the Utopia effect multiplied by five.

Christ, I'm going to miss Tennant when the time comes. Sad
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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:56 pm

barnaby salton wrote:usual- poll gives it a 90% approval rating- while 90% of posts are about how terrible it was.

Indeed, 'twas ever thus. Maybe spara's right about the silent majority. affraid Razz

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