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Post by Patrick on Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:32 pm

This is a subject that seems to be of some debate over at GB. I thought my fellow Wrinklies would like to have a go at this.

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Question 1:
Who are the two people on either side of Dalton hiding their faces in their hands (from the bottom picture)?

If these are the same people as can be seen from the promo pic at the top, the one to the right of Dalton appears to be Claire Bloom, the woman in white who keeps appearing to Wilf. So who is that to Dalton's left?

Question 2:
Are they both women, or is a woman to the right of Dalton, and a man to the left?

In the middle picture, where their backs are to us, the shoulder line of the one (now on Dalton's right from this perspective) appears to me, at least, to be taller and more broad than Bloom's. I'm thinking whoever that is, it's a male profile.

Which leads to Question 3:
Could that person to Dalton's left in both the top and bottom picture be Matt Smith?

If it is our new Eleventh Doctor, I need to start working on a theory for why he'd be there before the regeneration happens.

So, discuss...

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Re: The End of Time Part 2 Speculation Thread (Possible Spoilers)

Post by Johnstone McGuckian on Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:41 pm

My question is: When does Verity Newman come into it?
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Post by Lucy McGough on Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:50 pm

It doesn't look anything like Matt Smith.
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Re: The End of Time Part 2 Speculation Thread (Possible Spoilers)

Post by Patrick on Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:54 pm

Johnstone McGuckian wrote:My question is: When does Verity Newman come into it?

Here's my theory, in spoiler wraps just in case...

Spoiler:
We know Naismith wrote "Fighting the Future," and Wilf has a copy. I believe they left that copy in the TARDIS when they arrived at Naismith's residence. So, if the Doctor needs another copy, like there's something in the book he needs to read, he'll likely visit a bookstore. And signing copies of her new book "The Journal of Impossible Things" will be Ms. Verity Newman.

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Re: The End of Time Part 2 Speculation Thread (Possible Spoilers)

Post by Patrick on Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:57 pm

Lucy McGough wrote:It doesn't look anything like Matt Smith.

All you can really see clearly is his hair. The face is carefully concealled in every picture. And that hair could be Matt's. Could, but not "definately is." Hence the speculation.

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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:45 pm

Johnstone McGuckian wrote:My question is: When does Verity Newman come into it?

Very near the end. When Ten is doing his "farewell tour".

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Re: The End of Time Part 2 Speculation Thread (Possible Spoilers)

Post by Nick Barlow on Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:47 pm

Is it Paul McGann? Smile

Anyway, I'm still sticking to my Claire Bloom is Romana theory, just because I want it to be true, and if I keep repeating it that might make it happen.

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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:51 pm

Nick, were you chanting Romana rather than Doctor during Last of the Time Lords? Very Happy

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Post by Nick Barlow on Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:33 pm

No, I was chanting 'Paul McGann'...

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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:47 pm

lol!

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Re: The End of Time Part 2 Speculation Thread (Possible Spoilers)

Post by Zoltar on Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:05 pm

Patrick wrote:Question 1:
Who are the two people on either side of Dalton hiding their faces in their hands (from the bottom picture)?
They're face palming Time Lords who believe they've jumped the shark and hope the Moff can rescue them. Razz

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Post by Zoltar on Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:06 pm

Nick Barlow wrote:Anyway, I'm still sticking to my Claire Bloom is Romana theory, just because I want it to be true, and if I keep repeating it that might make it happen.
Interesting. I think I'll try that too.

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Re: The End of Time Part 2 Speculation Thread (Possible Spoilers)

Post by Patrick on Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:21 pm

Zoltar wrote:
Patrick wrote:Question 1:
Who are the two people on either side of Dalton hiding their faces in their hands (from the bottom picture)?
They're face palming Time Lords who believe they've jumped the shark and hope the Moff can rescue them. Razz

Please, Zoltar, this is Doctor Who. Surely it should be "Jumped The Seadevil." Or maybe "Jumped The Loch Ness Monster."

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Post by Zoltar on Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:58 pm

Patrick wrote:Please, Zoltar, this is Doctor Who. Surely it should be "Jumped The Seadevil." Or maybe "Jumped The Loch Ness Monster."
"Jumped the flying metallic stingray alien" perhaps?

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Post by Patrick on Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:37 pm

Zoltar wrote:
Patrick wrote:Please, Zoltar, this is Doctor Who. Surely it should be "Jumped The Seadevil." Or maybe "Jumped The Loch Ness Monster."
"Jumped the flying metallic stingray alien" perhaps?

I've got it! "Jumped The Moff!"
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Post by andrea on Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:21 am

Patrick wrote:
Zoltar wrote:
Patrick wrote:Please, Zoltar, this is Doctor Who. Surely it should be "Jumped The Seadevil." Or maybe "Jumped The Loch Ness Monster."
"Jumped the flying metallic stingray alien" perhaps?

I've got it! "Jumped The Moff!"
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"Jumped the Moff" unfortunately conjures an image to me of them mugging Steven Moffat in a dark alley... Shocked
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Re: The End of Time Part 2 Speculation Thread (Possible Spoilers)

Post by Patrick on Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:49 pm

Alright, fellow Wrinklies, it's prediction time.

Let's get some on-the-record guesses on some details and see who gets closest. We may even have to create a "Most Accurate Prognosticator" award.

Expand on these in your response:

1. Who is the person to Dalton's left in the pictures at the top of this thread?

2. Who is it that 'knocks four times'?

3. Will Gallifrey and the Time Lords be returned as a permanent fixture in the universe? (And please explain your yes or no answer.)

4. What will be David Tennant's final words as the Doctor?

5. Where do your predict the regeneration will happen? And what will cause the regeneration?

6. What will be Matt Smith's first words as the Doctor?

Get your answers in before transmission of Part 2.
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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:26 pm

That's far too difficult Patrick! Laughing

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Post by Patrick on Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:30 pm

The Co=Ordinator wrote:That's far too difficult Patrick! Laughing

What's difficult about having a guess?
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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:36 pm

1. Who is the person to Dalton's left in the pictures at the top of this thread?

Konstantin

2. Who is it that 'knocks four times'?

The 11th Doctor

3. Will Gallifrey and the Time Lords be returned as a permanent fixture in the universe? (And please explain your yes or no answer.)

Yes because RTD has said he'll leave the Whoniverse as he found it

4. What will be David Tennant's final words as the Doctor?

I never did get to Barcelona

5. Where do your predict the regeneration will happen? And what will cause the regeneration?

Too difficult a question!

6. What will be Matt Smith's first words as the Doctor?

Goodbye again Romana

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Post by Patrick on Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:42 pm

Alright, I'll have a go...

1. Who is the person to Dalton's left in the pictures at the top of this thread?

Matt Smith

2. Who is it that 'knocks four times'?

Matt Smith

3. Will Gallifrey and the Time Lords be returned as a permanent fixture in the universe? (And please explain your yes or no answer.)

No. Both RTD and The Moff have stated it makes for better drama if the Time Lords are not loitering in the background.

4. What will be David Tennant's final words as the Doctor?

"I really don't want to..."

5. Where do your predict the regeneration will happen? And what will cause the regeneration?

Matt's knocking at the door signals that David's time is up. They have a momentary look at each other. David regenerates into Matt, and when Matt looks around, the version of him that knocked on the TARDIS door isn't there anymore.


6. What will be Matt Smith's first words as the Doctor?

"Ow! That hurt!"

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Post by Nick Barlow on Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:30 am

1. Who is the person to Dalton's left in the pictures at the top of this thread?

Paul McGann

2. Who is it that 'knocks four times'?

Timothy Dalton

3. Will Gallifrey and the Time Lords be returned as a permanent fixture in the universe? (And please explain your yes or no answer.)

No, but there might be the possibility for there to be a couple of other Time Lords other than the Doctor and the Master.

4. What will be David Tennant's final words as the Doctor?

Don't forget me...

5. Where do your predict the regeneration will happen? And what will cause the regeneration?

Somewhere in the wilderness, caused by injuries endured saving the entire space-time continuum from Timothy Dalton's spittle and residual guilt at allowing the Master to sacrifice himself.

6. What will be Matt Smith's first words as the Doctor?

Hello, I'm the new Colin Baker.

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Post by Jennyjenkins on Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:52 am

Expand on these in your response:

1. Who is the person to Dalton's left in the pictures at the top of this thread?
11th Doctor - purely on hair grounds

2. Who is it that 'knocks four times'?
The Master - he did it already banging on the oil drum in the waste ground.

3. Will Gallifrey and the Time Lords be returned as a permanent fixture in the universe? (And please explain your yes or no answer.)
Wild Guess but Yes - once Pandora's box is opened, it can't be shut again.

4. What will be David Tennant's final words as the Doctor?
"It could have been beautiful"

5. Where do your predict the regeneration will happen? And what will cause the regeneration?
Gallifrey, final "Zapping" by the Master.

6. What will be Matt Smith's first words as the Doctor?
"That's strange - new hair" :p
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Post by ifjsrussell on Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:12 am

Patrick wrote:
1. Who is the person to Dalton's left in the pictures at the top of this thread?

Matt Smith

2. Who is it that 'knocks four times'?

Matt Smith

3. Will Gallifrey and the Time Lords be returned as a permanent fixture in the universe? (And please explain your yes or no answer.)

No unfortunately, as I dont think RTD is a fan of them..
4. What will be David Tennant's final words as the Doctor?

"Its me.. "
5. Where do your predict the regeneration will happen? And what will cause the regeneration?

In the white void outside the TARDIS

6. What will be Matt Smith's first words as the Doctor?

"Mother and I have been waiting for you"

Get your answers in before transmission of Part 2.
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Post by Graymalkin on Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:38 am

Wild and uniformed guesswork is my middle name(s), so...

1. Who is the person to Dalton's left in the pictures at the top of this thread?

Alan Fridge (credited as 'Time Lord #3')

2. Who is it that 'knocks four times'?

The Eleventh Doctor

3. Will Gallifrey and the Time Lords be returned as a permanent fixture in the universe? (And please explain your yes or no answer.)

Yes - and the Doctor will go on the run from them again.

4. What will be David Tennant's final words as the Doctor?

'...Allons-y!'

5. Where do your predict the regeneration will happen? And what will cause the regeneration?

Gallifrey, failing to save the Master.

6. What will be Matt Smith's first words as the Doctor?

'...when I say 'Run!', run...'
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