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Post by Sid Seadevil on Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:50 am

If we set out from the starting premise that Ian and Barbara were not only the original companions, but also believable, fully rounded characters in their own right; then which of the many companions that were to follow would you class as also being as well developed - and why?
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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:32 am

Peri, for a couple of reasons.

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Post by Sid Seadevil on Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:39 am

The Co=Ordinator wrote:Peri, for a couple of reasons.
*sigh*

And there goes the tone of the entire discussion. Rolling Eyes
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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:40 am

At your service. bounce geek

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Post by Sid Seadevil on Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:46 am

*Siggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh*

*looks around imploringly*

Any body out there fancy making, you know, an on-topic post actually related to the question posed in the OP?

*scans the horizon hopfully*
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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:55 am

I have answer you original question in an open and honest manner. Your subsequent responses have caused me considerable hurt and grief. I might well have to flounce off for 17 seconds.

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Post by Sid Seadevil on Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:01 am

Baysan Tulu...is that you...?
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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:16 am

Awesome. 10/10. Very Happy

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Post by Sid Seadevil on Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:18 am

Ah, that takes me back... Smile

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Post by Patrick on Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:40 am

I think the answer on some of this is going to depend on a subjective assessment of "believability."

Having said that, I think the team of the Second Doctor, Jaime and Victoria worked for much the same reason Ian and Barbara did: they had a personal history we were privy to, even (in Victoria's case) met some of their family. I'd offer these two in answer to your question, Sid.

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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:50 am

Yeah, but what about Peri?

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Post by Sid Seadevil on Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:50 am

Granted re the relative subjectiveness of of "believability", Patrick. Perhaps I could/should have worded it better.

Having said that, I can see the merits of Jamie and Zoe for the reasons stated. Although for me personally they lack that extra layer of depth displayed by Ian and Barbara. (Although there again, the differences in age/outlook and life experience of the characters might well play into perception of additional depth for I&B).

Thanks for the input - you're given me something to ponder.
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Post by Patrick on Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:58 am

The Co=Ordinator wrote:Yeah, but what about Peri?

Peri is perfectly believeable when she's in a swim suit.

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Post by Sid Seadevil on Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:01 am

Patrick wrote:
The Co=Ordinator wrote:Yeah, but what about Peri?

Peri is perfectly believeable when she's in a swim suit.
*sigh*

There goes the neighbourhood again.
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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:08 am

All praise the lowest common denominator!

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Post by Sid Seadevil on Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:12 am

Is he going to be a series 6 villain?
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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:16 am

Alongside the top secret return of the Quarks.

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Post by Sid Seadevil on Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:17 am

Blimey!! Shocked alien
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Post by Patrick on Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:03 am

Sid Seadevil wrote:Granted re the relative subjectiveness of of "believability", Patrick. Perhaps I could/should have worded it better.

Having said that, I can see the merits of Jamie and Zoe for the reasons stated. Although for me personally they lack that extra layer of depth displayed by Ian and Barbara. (Although there again, the differences in age/outlook and life experience of the characters might well play into perception of additional depth for I&B).

Thanks for the input - you're given me something to ponder.

I was actually going more for the Jaime and Victoria pairing.

Zoe is certainly believeable in a Peri sense- she's totally credible when she's wearing a form fitting silver jump suit and leaning over the TARDIS console.

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Post by Sid Seadevil on Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:21 am

Patrick wrote:I was actually going more for the Jaime and Victoria pairing.

Zoe is certainly believeable in a Peri sense- she's totally credible when she's wearing a form fitting silver jump suit and leaning over the TARDIS console.
And the tones dips even deeper than the neighbourhood did.
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Post by stanmore on Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:24 am

I'd say that Wendy Padbury was pretty unbelievable. Still is today actually. The cow. I'll be lucky to look as good as Tony by the time I'm 60.

I'd go for Lalla Ward's Romana as a character you can believe in.
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Post by Patrick on Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:37 am

Okay, I think we need a clarification from the thread starter at this point.

Sid, when you say "If we set out from the starting premise that Ian and Barbara were not only the original companions, but also believable, fully rounded characters in their own right..." I need to know which aspect of believeability you're drawing our attention toward.

Was it in how the characters were written? Was it in the apparently back-story and lives they had led before meeting the Doctor (their own personal history)? Was it in how they were portrayed/acted? Was it the character development over their time travelling with the Doctor?

Some answers to these might focus our opinions a little.

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Post by Sid Seadevil on Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:49 am

Sorry Patrick, the confusion is entirely my fault.

My thinking was almost certainly a tad woolly when the idea for this thread first struck and I simply dashed it off post haste.

To answer your question - I suppose it's a combination of all the qualities you mention that, when taken together together, coalesce into something much more the sum of its parts when it comes to giving the successfully, convincing illusion of bringing more realism to the characters of Ian and Barbara.

Hope that helps.
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Post by The Co=Ordinator on Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:08 pm

stanmore wrote:I'd say that Wendy Padbury was pretty unbelievable. Still is today actually. The cow. I'll be lucky to look as good as Tony by the time I'm 60.

Is that almost a compliment?


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Post by Aspadistra on Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:20 pm

Crumbs! She does look good, doesn't she?
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