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Post by Rich Flair Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:15 pm

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Kate Seadevil wrote:So should I read the comic before I see it?

I often look at adaptations as totally separate that have nothing to do with the source material. It's self delusion at it's best. Wink
I dunno, I would. Since the movie's doubtless going to be a condensed version of the story, it would probably help to fill in some blanks.

See, this guy gets it!
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Post by Kate Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:30 pm

Woah, Rich - I just meant with books that I like being made into films I try to forget that they are even meant to be connect eg. LOTR, great films, beautifully shot and performed but if I try to reconcile the two media then my head starts to implode. So I delude my self for the sake of my own sanity Wink

BTW - Tony was only joking, but if we've pushed too far then I apologise...
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Post by Rich Flair Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:37 pm

Oh, don't worry - I'm always highly strung this early in the morning!
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Post by Kate Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:44 pm

Not enough coffee or too much?
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Post by Rich Flair Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:50 pm

No, just some ancient rule that everybody follows that should have been abolished ages ago - that we must get up at a ridiculous hour to go to work.
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Post by barnaby morbius Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:28 am

Rich Flair wrote:Oh, don't worry - I'm always highly strung this early in the morning!

yep- you should be Twisted Evil
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Post by barnaby morbius Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:32 am

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Post by Frank Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:32 am

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*wonders what ol' Coxy and Patric would make of matters*

'Ol Coxy is staying well clear of making any opinions until I actually see the bloody thing. 28 hours and counting... Very Happy
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Post by Nick Barlow Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:38 am

OK, this is very funny:

Saturday Morning Watchmen

(Probably funniest if you've read the comic as there are some sly references in there)
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Post by Zoltar Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:57 pm

Nick Barlow wrote:OK, this is very funny:

Saturday Morning Watchmen

(Probably funniest if you've read the comic as there are some sly references in there)
That's brilliant. It's like every Watchmen fan's worst nightmare. Very Happy
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Post by Rich Flair Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:10 am

Nick Barlow wrote:OK, this is very funny:

Saturday Morning Watchmen

(Probably funniest if you've read the comic as there are some sly references in there)

That's funnier than the film.
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Post by Frank Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:42 pm

Loved it. It has its faults but by golly I could happily watch that again and again. A deliriously wonderful sensory overload. It does suffer from pacing in the middle and Snyder doesn't quite get the right performances from some of his cast but they are minor issues.

As I suspected, it won't entirely please the Watchmen obsessives because of the ending and the other omissions and it is likely to alienate and puzzle a mainstream audience. The other half Geoff has never read the GN, neither has our mate Stuart, and they both came out at the end jumping up and down in excitement. I predict it will become a great cult film.

I think it's the best attempt at an adaptation it could possibly be and I admire Snyder for having the balls to attempt it.
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Post by Patrick Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:29 pm

I have to admit, I got caught up in trying to notice the layered details in each scene. Whenever we were given some long slow pull-back shot, or a pan, I couldn't help but let my eyes over what else was in the frame.

In that respect, I'm prepared to say this film is a visual feast of detail.

I'll give it a Davison out of 5.
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Post by Rich Flair Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:28 am

Hey guys -
Spoiler:
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Post by Rich Flair Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:30 am

Frank wrote:I think it's the best attempt at an adaptation it could possibly be and I admire Snyder for having the balls to attempt it.

Well, I'd say it's the best attempt at an adaptation that they have done!
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Post by Rich Flair Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:44 am

yes, nice review Frank. I also agree with your view on the Spitting Image Nixon - why couldn't they get a guy to act the role instead?

Did anybody spot Bowie and Jagger? I didn't until my 2nd viewing.
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Post by Frank Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:03 am

[quote="Rich Flair"]Hey guys -
Spoiler:

Yes, that didn't work

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Possibly a victim of the enforced shorter runing time. Maybe we'll get more of him in the Director's Cut?
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Post by Frank Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:04 am

Rich Flair wrote:
Frank wrote:I think it's the best attempt at an adaptation it could possibly be and I admire Snyder for having the balls to attempt it.

Well, I'd say it's the best attempt at an adaptation that they have done!

And it's probably the only one that's ever going to be made so I think we'll have to live with it.
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Post by barnaby morbius Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:33 am

just saw it- suffice to say if you liked the comic you'll probably like this as it's exactly the same. as rich says the bits they changed are probably the worst things about it

decent attempt by visionary director zack snyder though.

looking forward to the sequel!
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Post by Lee Carey Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:38 pm

Frank wrote:Loved it. It has its faults but by golly I could happily watch that again and again. A deliriously wonderful sensory overload. It does suffer from pacing in the middle and Snyder doesn't quite get the right performances from some of his cast but they are minor issues.

As I suspected, it won't entirely please the Watchmen obsessives because of the ending and the other omissions and it is likely to alienate and puzzle a mainstream audience. The other half Geoff has never read the GN, neither has our mate Stuart, and they both came out at the end jumping up and down in excitement. I predict it will become a great cult film.

I think it's the best attempt at an adaptation it could possibly be and I admire Snyder for having the balls to attempt it.
Pretty well my view as well- and the same reaction from Mrs Lee as well, who's another that has never read the source work.

Personally I find it comparable to the Lord of the Rings films, in that it had to jettison elements that fans loved (Tom Bombadil, the Back Freighter) and altered the ending, but it all worked (well, just about- what on earth was going on with that Nixon mask?). It may be that I was never a great fan of the original graphic novel (I always felt it was something to be admired more than loved) but enjoyed the film precisely because so any of the 'boring' bits were excised.

And it was a film that left you thinking about it long afterward- a rarity nowadays. Probably my fim of the year...

Although I'm off to see Aliens versus Monsters in a couple of weeks, so that may change! Very Happy
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Post by barnaby morbius Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:40 pm

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Frank wrote:Loved it. It has its faults but by golly I could happily watch that again and again. A deliriously wonderful sensory overload. It does suffer from pacing in the middle and Snyder doesn't quite get the right performances from some of his cast but they are minor issues.

As I suspected, it won't entirely please the Watchmen obsessives because of the ending and the other omissions and it is likely to alienate and puzzle a mainstream audience. The other half Geoff has never read the GN, neither has our mate Stuart, and they both came out at the end jumping up and down in excitement. I predict it will become a great cult film.

I think it's the best attempt at an adaptation it could possibly be and I admire Snyder for having the balls to attempt it.
Pretty well my view as well- and the same reaction from Mrs Lee as well, who's another that has never read the source work.

Personally I find it comparable to the Lord of the Rings films, in that it had to jettison elements that fans loved (Tom Bombadil, the Back Freighter) and altered the ending, but it all worked (well, just about- what on earth was going on with that Nixon mask?). It may be that I was never a great fan of the original graphic novel (I always felt it was something to be admired more than loved) but enjoyed the film precisely because so any of the 'boring' bits were excised.

And it was a film that left you thinking about it long afterward- a rarity nowadays. Probably my fim of the year...

Although I'm off to see Aliens versus Monsters in a couple of weeks, so that may change! Very Happy

no one liked tom bombadil Evil or Very Mad
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Post by Lucy McGough Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:53 pm

Err, yes we jolly well did!!!!
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Post by Rich Flair Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:18 am

Three times to read the book... three times to give up at Tom Bombadil. He's a f'in cretin.
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Post by Lee Carey Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:06 am

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no one liked tom bombadil Evil or Very Mad
You may say that, Barnaby, and I may agree with you, but amongst some Lord of the Rings fan circles, Tom Bombadil is the equivilant of Paul McGann in their regard!! Shocked
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Post by Frank Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:36 am

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Pretty well my view as well- and the same reaction from Mrs Lee as well, who's another that has never read the source work.

Personally I find it comparable to the Lord of the Rings films, in that it had to jettison elements that fans loved (Tom Bombadil, the Back Freighter) and altered the ending, but it all worked (well, just about- what on earth was going on with that Nixon mask?). It may be that I was never a great fan of the original graphic novel (I always felt it was something to be admired more than loved) but enjoyed the film precisely because so any of the 'boring' bits were excised.

And it was a film that left you thinking about it long afterward- a rarity nowadays. Probably my fim of the year...

Although I'm off to see Aliens versus Monsters in a couple of weeks, so that may change! Very Happy

I also think that the extended DVD cut will smooth out some of the choppy editing. And it will be fascinating to see how he cuts in the Black Freighter stuff. I don't think we've yet seen the half of what 'visionary director' Snyder originally wanted to include and I'm very much looking forward to the extended version.
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