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Post by The Co=Ordinator Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:35 am

Bonkers or plonkers? You decide. Smile


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Post by Tessellated Facsimile Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:44 pm

Initiating ship to outer world communication...

Greetings!

How underwhelming. To say myself and the rest of the crew were disappointed would be something of an understatement.

3/5 - and that's being generous.

All hail Eocene supremacy!

Terminating ship to outer world communication...
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Post by Nick Barlow Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:04 pm

It wasn't the Doctor, he was hiding inside a shape changing justice robot from the future.

Seriously, Moffat? Seriously?
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Post by Rich Flair Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:49 pm

I don't know. I think I liked the first half hour.
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Post by barnaby morbius Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:08 pm

it wasn't very bonkers.

i quite liked it.
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Post by stanmore Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:21 pm

Nick Barlow wrote:It wasn't the Doctor, he was hiding inside a shape changing justice robot from the future.

Seriously, Moffat? Seriously?

That was my favourite bit!

It was alright. A series of crowd-please set-pieces, tied together with only the loosest of logic, but all entertaining within there own right. I quite like completion, though.
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Post by andrea Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:30 pm

I really didn't like it. I think I may be reaching the end of the line with Moffat's take on Doctor Who. I find this quite upsetting but there you go.
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Post by The Browncoat Cat Sat Oct 01, 2011 3:35 pm

This episode was technically very well put together. The story worked and did tie up many lose ends, but it seemed a bit flat. It reminds me of a Pertwee story, workmanlike but uninspiring.
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Post by Zoltar Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:15 pm

I'll definitely need a second watch to decide on a score. Some parts I really, really liked. And then there were the chompy skulls and a question I don't want answered. Still, all in all, not bad.
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Post by Johnstone McGuckian Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:59 am

Well I enjoyed it. It cleared up what needed to be cleared up and still left the door open for future adventures. As for Amy and Rory, will they be back?

For me the series ended the same way that it started, with a very enjoyable 4/5.
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Post by The Co=Ordinator Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:15 am

As with many I'm not sure overall, but most of what I'm going to say is, sadly, negative. The Lethbridge Stewart tribute was probably the highlight for me, and given that was added late on I'm not sure what that says about the rest of the script and, indeed, the whole of the over-convoluted arc.

The things like the pterodactyl and centurions on the street were just throw away and, as such, irrelevant. The dramatic finale left me feeling meh. The very end with Dorium's head doing a name dropping exercise for series 7 actually annoyed me. And as for "Doctor Who?", bloody hell Silver Nemesis did it better 23 years ago - definite minus point for that. Will Andrew Cartmel be looking for a credit?

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Post by Patrick Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:27 am

I knew that some sort of a body switch had to have happened in the run up to "The Impossible Astronaut." My theory that the Doctor we saw die was a ganger was where I erred.

I liked how the story explored the idea that as a result of a fixed point being unwritten, time splintered off and created a fractal reality where all of history existed at the same time. And I like how the Doctor's relationship with River was fleshed out a bit more during series 6.

My problem is that with the way The Moff hits the reset button, there's no epiphany moment for the audience in the same way that an RTD episode had.

I'm giving this a 3/5, and that may be a bit harsh.
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Post by Zoltar Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:17 am

I pondered giving the story a 3 as well, but settled on a 4. There were things I definitely didn't like about it, but it was ultimately a fun finale and I liked the solution to The Doctor's death a lot.

Patrick wrote:I liked how the story explored the idea that as a result of a fixed point being unwritten, time splintered off and created a fractal reality where all of history existed at the same time.
I enjoyed that too, reinforcing the dangers of messing with fixed points is a good idea in my book and I liked the jumble of eras.
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Post by Rich Flair Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:49 am

Wow, loads better second time round. 4/5
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Post by Dave Webb Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:32 pm

I missed it last night, couldn't find it on catchup, couldn't get the iPlayer to work and finally downloaded the episode.

It wasn't time wasted. We had our answers,we had some explanations and we got to see what happens when things don't go the way they should. Cool.

Matt Smith was as good as ever, the supporting cast were as good as ever...so far, so good.

I know I'm only a fan, but here's what's not working for me: I'm burned out on the whole prefigured future history of the Doctor thing. I don't much like prophecy as a narrative device at the best of times, so having another set of ominous words delivered that are to do with the Doctor's future is now just annoying.

I wasn't touched by the Lethbridge-Stewart tribute. I've known that the Brig would die peacefully in bed since <i>Battlefield</i> and, as shoddy as that story is, the Brig's finest hour happens right there and then.

I'm tired of Doctorly wangst. What happened to the bloke in the trailer from 2005?[It won't be quiet, and it won't be safe. If the Doctor would just stop beating himself up for a bit, I would get on a lot better with the series.

Other than that, 3/5.
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Post by Zoltar Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:37 pm

Dave Webb wrote:I know I'm only a fan, but here's what's not working for me: I'm burned out on the whole prefigured future history of the Doctor thing. I don't much like prophecy as a narrative device at the best of times, so having another set of ominous words delivered that are to do with the Doctor's future is now just annoying.
I have to say, I normally don't mind that sort of thing, but I've grown tired of the prophecy stuff too.

Dave Webb wrote:I wasn't touched by the Lethbridge-Stewart tribute. I've known that the Brig would die peacefully in bed since <i>Battlefield</i> and, as shoddy as that story is, the Brig's finest hour happens right there and then.
The reason I liked that scene was because it echoed Battlefield, but also because it was nicely played by Matt.
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Post by Jennyjenkins Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:39 pm

On the whole I liked it - the "doctor who?" thing was annoying, but not enough to spoil it for me.

I like Patrick thought it might be the ganger doctor who died - I don't think we knew what happened to him.
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Post by John the Vic Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:33 pm

I can't understand the amount of negative comment about this episode, which to me is THE very best one ever made.. Absolute class..
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Post by The Co=Ordinator Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:54 am

I think it's a genuine marmite episode John.
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Post by barnaby morbius Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:23 am

The Co=Ordinator wrote:I think it's a genuine marmite episode John.

but most people gave it a four or three..

surely a marmite episode would have got 5s and 1s?

i think if you enjoyed the big bang, lets kill hitler and good man goes to war you'd probably have liked this. my problem is that these stories have all been a bit samey and i'm looking forward to something different when it comes back.
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Post by The Co=Ordinator Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:20 am

It's the only episode in the whole of series 6 to have garenered scores in every available category. So I'd call that marmite. Wink
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Post by barnaby morbius Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:10 am

The Co=Ordinator wrote:It's the only episode in the whole of series 6 to have garenered scores in every available category. So I'd call that marmite. Wink

i'm starting to think that moffat's version of doctor who is a bit marmitey to be honest...
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Post by The Co=Ordinator Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:01 am

Must be honest here. As a whole entity, I'm disappointed by what Series 6 has given us. Gaiman's episode was head and shoulders above anything else.
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Post by Dave Webb Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:36 am

barnaby morbius wrote:i'm starting to think that moffat's version of doctor who is a bit marmitey to be honest...

I think that's true of any era and any season, to an extent. It strikes me that Moffat and Davies have something in common, which perhaps was not true of Doctor Who before. They have far more direct control over the scripts than any previous script editor and they are using that control to tell some very specific stories. It feels like they're much more in touch with the impermenancy of the TV world at the moment, so they're not sure how long their run will be. Moffat might have told the BBC that he'll do three seasons, maybe four, and then he's off to Hollywood. In that time, he's going to want to tell every Doctor Who story he's ever wanted to tell. This seems to be pretty much what RTD did.

I'm also wondering if both men were very conscious of leaving a legacy behind them. How can you not, when you're working on a show that's nearly fifty years old? You know the show will live on long past your contribution, so you don't want that contribution to be anything less than the full on You experience.

There's no guarantee you'll like an entire body of work. There's no reason that fans of Press Gang will also be fans of Coupling or Jekyll. Over his time on Doctor Who, The Moff gets to explore all of those styles and ideas with the best toybox in British TV. So he will. The result will be that some stories, like this one, will fall a bit flat for some of us and leave some of us bouncing with glee.

So it goes.
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Post by The Co=Ordinator Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:19 pm

So it goes that I've decided to give this 3/5. Was contemplating only 2 though.
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