Re: Matt is off

by Lee Carey Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:12 am

Mention has been made of Sam West (Bradley Hardacre and Sybil Fawlty's son, and a fan of the show) and Sam Hoare (who appeared alongside the Boy Smith in Bert and Dickie)-- both more realistic than some, and both i'd have little problem with.

I'd dearly love a black actor in the role, but can't think of any at present who'd fit the bill, Paterson Joseph not withstanding. As the Guardian said recently, most UK black actors worth their salt have emigrated to the US out of tiredness of being typecast as drug dealers. It'd be gratifying for Doctor Who to show this doesn't have to be the case.

by **The Co=Ordinator** Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:39 am

Rich Flair wrote:What's these personal reasons?

It would be inappropriate to post in open forum Rich.

by Rich Flair Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:40 am

Oh, I don't really need to know!

by **Nick Barlow** Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:02 am

Sam West would be interesting - he's a big fan of the show (a former member of DWAS, according to his Twitter feed) and certain sections of fandom would go mad attempting to explain his appearance in Dimensions In Time... also known for his support of various left-wing causes, so would annoy the Daily Mail, which is a good thing.

Rumours around about an announcement tomorrow (possibly to avoid being scooped by one of the Sunday papers?) but they were also around yesterday, and probably every day until there's an actual announcement.

by **The Co=Ordinator** Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:01 am

Nick Barlow wrote:Rumours around about an announcement tomorrow (possibly to avoid being scooped by one of the Sunday papers?) but they were also around yesterday, and probably every day until there's an actual announcement.

I've just been told that. Doesn't seem right to me, but who knows?

by **Nick Barlow** Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:49 am

Hope it's not tomorrow, as I'm off on holiday, so not sure when I'd hear the news (though we will be in Wales, so not in a the centre of a complete Who news blackout).

by **The Co=Ordinator** Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:00 am

No annoucement today apparently.

Rumour only though, for a name.

Spoiler:

by Rich Flair Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:45 am

The other two rumoured names for today's announcement are dominic cooper and Daniel Kaluuya. They say a photoshoot in the tardis has already been shot.

http://www.starburstmagazine.com/tv-news/5530-tv-news-doctor-who

by Rich Flair Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:06 am

Ed Stradling's tweet:

Steven Moffat says this morning "I haven't a clue who it is, we've barely started." So no #doctorwho announcement this evening I fear!

by **The Co=Ordinator** Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:57 am

As everyone knows, Steven Moffat is full of schit.

by **Patrick** Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:17 am

With the immense media interest in this, it seems to me that Moffat & Co. have only a finite amount of time to be in control of this secret before someone stumbles onto the name, even if by accident. Once that's happened, the production's thunder will have been stolen. So I'd guess the announcement will have to happen within a week.

by Rich Flair Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:08 pm

The Co=Ordinator wrote:As everyone knows, Steven Moffat is full of schit.

I don't know that. peeps in the know such as yourself post stuff saying he's a liar, etc but it's never explained why.

by **The Co=Ordinator** Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:13 pm

Rich Flair wrote:Steven Moffat says this morning "I haven't a clue who it is, we've barely started."

Complete bollocks.

by Rich Flair Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:51 am

Rory Kinnear got it according to the telegraph.

by Lee Carey Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:04 am

I love how everyone quoting the article leaves out the part where he said back in April "I think I’m being used as a decoy on that front, and “It’s the first I’ve heard.” Very Happy

He currently has too good a career in movies and theatre to give up those roles for 10 months of the year, in my opinion. Any actor cast will likely be in the same position as Tennant and Smith in this point of their careers, actively looking to make a name for themselves so they can translate that into further success after their time in the role is up, unless like Ecclestone they actively seek out the part.

Still clueless myself, but...

Phil Sandifer over at the Slate compared Davies take on the Doctor with Moffat's, and tied it into the casting of Sherlock as "it's about clever but fundamentally aloof people learning to exist in society with friends and family," which if that is still a feature of Moffat's take on the Doctor post regeneration, would have some effect on who they'd look to cast.

In short, expect a leading man along the same lines as Smith or Cumerbatch: tall, imposing and unconventionally attractive. And probably between 28 and 38.

by **Dave Webb** Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:12 am

Rich Flair wrote:
The Co=Ordinator wrote:As everyone knows, Steven Moffat is full of schit.

I don't know that. peeps in the know such as yourself post stuff saying he's a liar, etc but it's never explained why.

I've noticed this too. Not that I care.

Of course he's not telling the truth. Would you, in his shoes?

by The Browncoat Cat Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:25 am

Rich Flair wrote:
The Co=Ordinator wrote:As everyone knows, Steven Moffat is full of schit.
I don't know that. peeps in the know such as yourself post stuff saying he's a liar, etc but it's never explained why.

It's part of the job description. Because Doctor Who is popular, it generates a lot of fan and media interest. So Mr. Moffatt, as Mr. Davies did before him, lets out a few genuine facts, and a lot of fiction to feed that interest and to keep the surprise of what is really going to happen safely under wraps. So in effect, it is best never to take what he says at face value.

by Lee Carey Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:42 am

The Browncoat Cat wrote:
Rich Flair wrote:
The Co=Ordinator wrote:As everyone knows, Steven Moffat is full of schit.
I don't know that. peeps in the know such as yourself post stuff saying he's a liar, etc but it's never explained why.

It's part of the job description. Because Doctor Who is popular, it generates a lot of fan and media interest. So Mr. Moffatt, as Mr. Davies did before him, lets out a few genuine facts, and a lot of fiction to feed that interest and to keep the surprise of what is really going to happen safely under wraps. So in effect, it is best never to take what he says at face value.

I don't know whether that is what Rich actually means.

For me it's that Moffat's distortions or obfuscations are always treated negatively in a way that Davies never were. In short, when Moffat lies, fandom takes it personally, whereas when Davies did the same it was treated as part of the game of producing Doctor Who. The use of word schit is one that would never have been used in 2005-9, for instance.

by Rich Flair Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:29 am

Yes, Lee is right. I hear a lot of reactions to what Moffat has supposed to have done, but very little detail about what he has done. For example, he's supposed to be horrible because he had an affair. Even if he did, it doesn't change my opinion of him because I wasn't privy to any of the details of that affair. It's not my business and I don't know what happened. He's supposed to be hard to work with, but I don't know that. He's suppose to be a liar, but (apart from the usual lies you have to tell when running the show) I don't know what he's lied about.

I compare the treatment of Moffat to the reaction some of our friends showed on Planet Mondas to Richard Marson's JNT book. It seems that gossiping about the living is fine, but write a book about a pair of dead sexual predators and you'll be pilloried for it, and aspersions cast on your integrity.

by **The Co=Ordinator** Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:18 am

Rich Flair wrote:For example, he's supposed to be horrible because he had an affair.

Just the one?

by **Dave Webb** Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:33 pm

The Co=Ordinator wrote:
Rich Flair wrote:For example, he's supposed to be horrible because he had an affair.

Just the one?

Let s/he who is without sin cast the first stone.

This isn't the Daily Mail, it doesn't actually matter or make any sort of difference to the thing we care about and I'm definitely not interested in Sleb Lives. Unless you happen to know any Slebs that want to sleep with me or give me money, or a job. Then I care.

Wasn't it dear old Rolo Barthes who said "the author is dead?". Well, to butcher Shakespeare, so let it be with Moffat. Or at least his crushingly irrelevant private life. I'm much more concerned with why he apparently can't write women, why he's not commissioning scripts from more women writers and who he's thinking of casting to be the Nth Doctor.

by The Browncoat Cat Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:28 pm

Lee Carey wrote:I don't know whether that is what Rich actually means.

For me it's that Moffat's distortions or obfuscations are always treated negatively in a way that Davies never were. In short, when Moffat lies, fandom takes it personally, whereas when Davies did the same it was treated as part of the game of producing Doctor Who. The use of word schit is one that would never have been used in 2005-9, for instance.

Ah, I put it down to personality. RTD is a big personality, all "Hail fellow well met" and full of the joys of life. Moffat is a normal bloke, a bit of a dour Scotsman as well. Fandom found RTD more likeable, so forgave him far more for the bull than they ever will the Moff.

by **Nick Barlow** Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:31 am

I still see people using out of context quotes to bash Davies, and some elements of fandom will bash whoever's showrunner at the time for not delivering Who exactly as they want it to be.

Anyway, anyone have any news on the new Doctor? According to GB, it should be that guy from that cult thing who's really Doctorish.

by **Patrick** Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:43 am

Nick Barlow wrote:...anyone have any news on the new Doctor? According to GB, it should be that guy from that cult thing who's really Doctorish.

By God, Nick, I think you've cracked it! That guy must be the one! Its so obvious, and its been staring us in the face since... since David Tennant, in fact. Excellent deduction!
Laughing

by Rich Flair Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:34 am

The wrote:
Rich Flair wrote:For example, he's supposed to be horrible because he had an affair.

Just the one?

I don't know or care.

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